Ordered a size up like Keen recommends and still they were to small. I have 8 pairs of Keens and I've noticed through the years they have become more narrow and the heel is to wide causing slipping. They should stay with what works and made them the shoe of choice for people like me needing that wide toe box. so disappointed in the way this Targhee II Low complains to my Targhee II mid that are 3 years old. The shoes in this order are inconsistent between the left and right shoe and my heel just slides out the back with ease while walking. I found its time to look to differant brands that seem to be offering wide styles to get those customers like me that are Keen customers.