First let me start off by saying I love Keen. I recommend this brand to everyone. I own 8 pairs this is my 9th. All different styles. To work I normally wear the women's Detroit steel toes and Targhee ii depending on the day of work. I'm outside 40% of the time. And northeastern Ohio is getting snow. So, I bought these for work in the winter. They were comfortable and warm out of the box. I wore them for the first time outside in rain and 35*F. I could feel the cold from the water penetrating my toes. I could feel the cold rain making my toes cold. Weird. 2nd time was a few days later at work my feet were sweating in the rubber which they don't normally do. Then had to go outside in about 4" of snow for an hour and my toes were freezing. The snow sticks to the textured rubber and freezes your toes. I came inside took my boot off and stuck my hand inside my shoe and they were wet. Not sure from sweat or leakage. Either way not good. Not an issue with other keens I own. But what I also noticed is that I did not feel any insulation to the toe box area as a barrier to this cold rubber. Just thin fabric. The other thing I noticed was much different from all of my other keens is the tread is not as good. I felt much more unstable on ice and was slipping much more than I should for a boot designed for winter. Needless to say I'm disappointed. Could have been a great boot. Good in concept. Just not real life. A miss.