If you really enjoy socks that fall down over and over then these may be for you. I have worn Keen socks for years and most of the time they fit great and last a long time. These are totally different from all other Keen socks I have worn. No L R, no nice heel, no stretchy fabric that stays up all day. These feel like regular old wool socks that I used to wear before I knew there was something better out there. I'll have to be cautious about what Keen socks I buy next time.